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Slot machines burst onto the American gambling scene in the 1930’s and have captivated risk-takers with their bright lights, shiny reels and a chance of striking it rich with their jackpots. Fast-forward to the 1980’s, and slot machines were deemed to be more profitable than table games like black jack or craps. For the most part the same remains true today. From Las Vegas, Reno and Atlantic City casinos to racetracks, barges and riverboats along the Mississippi River, slot machines are still big business.

Our Class III games deliver a higher hold percentage through innovative graphics and math modeling without reducing a player’s time on device. Historically, Class II video gaming terminals could not compete against their Class III counterparts (Las Vegas style slot machines) because of the technological advantages of Class III machines. Tulsa, Oklahoma All Oklahoma Indian casinos are allowed to offer both Class II and Class III gaming machines.Most casinos offer only Class II machines which look like slot machines, but are actually games of bingo and the spinning video reels are for “entertainment purposes only.”.

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Named after the slot where cash, tokens or even modern paper tickets are inserted, slots is a game for all skill levels. The object of the game is to win money from the machine. This happens by matching a set of symbols that roll and stop at random once its lever is pulled or button is pressed. The amount bet on each spin varies between machines. Most offer a variety of winning combinations which are linked to different rewards (extra spins, cash, etc.) and usually displayed on the machine itself.

There are several kinds of slots available nowadays, from the classic lever-and-spinning-reel variety to vivid display video slots. Regardless of their technological advancement since the 1930’s, slot machines are still categorized into two groups: class II or class III.

Class II Slot Machines

• All machines or terminals are linked together so that players end up competing against each other for a common prize.

• Winners are determined via a Video Lottery Terminal (VLT), much like a lottery scratch card.

• With a set quantity of wins and losses, they are preprogramed to pay out at particular times.

• Not every game is guaranteed to have a winner, but play will continue until a winner is determined.

• Machines are interactive and, just like with the game of Bingo, players must announce their win in order to claim their reward. Prizes are not given automatically.

• These types of slot machines can be found primarily on Indian gaming reservations and ‘Racinos’, which are establishments that not only allow class II slots on premises but also have a live horse racetrack.

Class III Slot Machines

• Typically known as ‘Vegas-style’ or traditional slots, these are what most people think of when they envision a slot machine.

• Each terminal is independent from the rest, with players competing against the house or casino for a pay-out prize.

• Winners are determined via a Random Number Generator (RNG), giving every terminal the same chance of winning during every game.

• Despite misconceptions about a slot machine being ‘due to hit’, they aren’t preprogramed to pay out at any particular time.

• If a player uses a terminal that someone else just abandoned and wins the jackpot, the likelihood that the previous player would have won if they stayed longer is very low. The RNG is timed down the millisecond of when a button is hit or lever is pulled, which must be done at a precise time in order to win each particular game.

• Wins are instantaneous and prizes are doled out immediately.

waasnoday

In Arizona the amount of Class III machines is based on the size of the Tribe with a maximum of 1,301 slots for any one Casino. The Tribe I work for, for example, is very small. I think we have about 140 or so Tribal Members. We have 566 Class III slot machines. I believe we are allowed 40 Class II machines as well, but we do not use them at this time. There is some dispute if the Class II machines can really be limited and this may be tested at some point, but for now that is the theoretical limit.
Almost anytime the Tribes contest something and it ends up going to Court, the Tribes win. There has been ongoing litigation for a Casino in Glendale for the last 3 years or so. The Governor said no, there were court cases and appeals and the Tribe won every one of them. Now the Gaming Commission says no (after the Casino has already broke ground) and that will be going to court. I expect the Tribe to win this one as well. The Sovereign Nation designation usually wins over the States wishes.
ZCore13


SlotDepends on the level of the court. At the Supreme Court level the tribes have won one case in the last ten. The Bay Mills decision was the last win and even that wasn't really a total win. Court basically said the state could not sue the tribe but could sue the individual members. I will say the Tohono O'odham Nation has had one heck of a winning court record regarding their attempt to open a casino in Glendale though. What a convoluted path that has been.
tringlomane

I will say that in OK, at Downstream Casino, a tribal resort I visited a couple weeks ago, it was all Class II slots. And I killed both the VP and the regular slots, much better than my usual returns, especially the VP. (I posted a couple of the better VP wins in the 'Not Quite a Royal' thread). I owe them a larger write-up, because they were excellent in all respects.
The best thing they do there, and different from all other OK casinos to my knowledge, is if you sign up for their player card (free) and play rated, THEY pay the state-mandatory .50/hand fee for you (they track it with dummy chips in the dealer's tray). So your EV on the table games is not diminished by the cost of the hands like all other OK casinos.

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Pretty sure Downstream and many other OK casinos offer Class III slots/VP (legal with a state compact), otherwise VPFree2 needs to remove their listings...
petroglyph

I will say that in OK, at Downstream Casino, a tribal resort I visited a couple weeks ago, it was all Class II slots. And I killed both the VP and the regular slots, much better than my usual returns, especially the VP. (I posted a couple of the better VP wins in the 'Not Quite a Royal' thread).


How do I tell if a vp machine is a class II or III machine? It is just the pays is it not, like 9/6? Other than that I don't know what to look for. On the slots does it say somewhere on the info screen which class it is, and what is more player friendly, II or III?
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How do I tell if a vp machine is a class II or III machine? It is just the pays is it not, like 9/6? Other than that I don't know what to look for. On the slots does it say somewhere on the info screen which class it is, and what is more player friendly, II or III?


A class II video poker machine, if there were such a thing, must have a predestined outcome. You wouldn't even be able to deliberately lose. For example, let's say the game predestined you to get a royal and gave you four to a royal and a junk card on the deal, think you would toss the junk card and it would give you the fifth card to the royal. If you held everything, which would normally win nothing, then a fairy or something would magically turn the junk card to whatever card you needed for the royal.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
petroglyph

A class II video poker machine, if there were such a thing, must have a predestined outcome. You wouldn't even be able to deliberately lose. For example, let's say the game predestined you to get a royal and gave you four to a royal and a junk card on the deal, think you would toss the junk card and it would give you the fifth card to the royal. If you held everything, which would normally win nothing, then a fairy or something would magically turn the junk card to whatever card you needed for the royal.


Thanks Mike.
AxelWolf

A class II video poker machine, if there were such a thing, must have a predestined outcome. You wouldn't even be able to deliberately lose. For example, let's say the game predestined you to get a royal and gave you four to a royal and a junk card on the deal, think you would toss the junk card and it would give you the fifth card to the royal. If you held everything, which would normally win nothing, then a fairy or something would magically turn the junk card to whatever card you needed for the royal.

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Fairlys, golden monkeys, genies, leprechauns.... same things that help system players in baccarat.
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travisl

a fairy or something would magically turn the junk card to whatever card you needed for the royal.


In the Washington tribal casinos I've seen (Muckleshoot and Red Wind, specifically), there's a spinner that awards a bonus card. So deceptive.
DRich

Fairlys, golden monkeys, genies, leprechauns.... same things that help system players in baccarat.


Lol
Living longer does not always infer +EV
qwertydgaf
I really appreciate everyones feed back. With that knowledge shared, i have determined that TSR does not use any class 2 slot machines. But my good lord are they tight! Clearly i do not play slots to try and make rent since I have dumped sooo much money into this place. But it would be nice to get a return at some point. Even if the rerurn was in form of a drawing...or a car. I see i have 10 thousand entries in most the drawings and usually they draw 5-10 winners(unless car giveaway) yet i cant get my name picked to save my life. I visit most drawings and i always ask what the percentage is of people checked in compared to people entered. Always less than 5% and i cant get drawn?? Rigged? Tight slots.... ugh at least they let me drink and eat on them whenever. Maybe time for a new place
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I really appreciate everyones feed back. With that knowledge shared, i have determined that TSR does not use any class 2 slot machines. But my good lord are they tight! Clearly i do not play slots to try and make rent since I have dumped sooo much money into this place. But it would be nice to get a return at some point. Even if the rerurn was in form of a drawing...or a car. I see i have 10 thousand entries in most the drawings and usually they draw 5-10 winners(unless car giveaway) yet i cant get my name picked to save my life. I visit most drawings and i always ask what the percentage is of people checked in compared to people entered. Always less than 5% and i cant get drawn?? Rigged? Tight slots.... ugh at least they let me drink and eat on them whenever. Maybe time for a new place

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